Sunday, 16 May 2010
FINAL CONSEPT??
SO- FInally the day has come where I can say I think Im know where Im going with this.
These are the outcomes I hope to end up with:
DESIGN PIECE 1:
Make book focusing on the texts from the church signs that are based on religious quotes and information (not name of the church and opening times etc)
Maybe make new posters using different versions of typefaces used in the signs
DESIGN PIECE 2:
Make a process book about my journey with the project, corporating things like post cards, info graphics, illustrations, maps etc etc
I have very limited time to do this, but if I work really hard I think I can make it. Tonight I will decide about format, size and content, and hopefully by midnight I can start developing the overall content
exciting!
These are the outcomes I hope to end up with:
DESIGN PIECE 1:
Make book focusing on the texts from the church signs that are based on religious quotes and information (not name of the church and opening times etc)
Maybe make new posters using different versions of typefaces used in the signs
DESIGN PIECE 2:
Make a process book about my journey with the project, corporating things like post cards, info graphics, illustrations, maps etc etc
I have very limited time to do this, but if I work really hard I think I can make it. Tonight I will decide about format, size and content, and hopefully by midnight I can start developing the overall content
exciting!
Feedback
Email to and from Paulus:
Hey Paulus,
I have gathered most of my work on my blog, from beginning to end and including basic information about my analysing prosess.
As you can see I still dont know exactly how my end result will be, and there is still A LOT of work to do.
I will present the photos as a collection as one piece (similar to what I showed you), but the designed piece is still not resolved
I have diferent thoughts about what I wish to do. I still feel there are so many difernt ways to go with it, and its hard to find one to go for
among my thoughts are these:
1: Develop my text/ content hierachies work into posters or book- using a system similar to what I have done where I can show my research about design, technical and linguistic charcteristic though graphi bades colour coding and shapes.
2: Make book focusing on the text that are based on religious quotes and information ( not name of the church and opening times etc), maby make new posters using diferent versions of typefaces used in the signs
3: Make a process book about my journey with the project (similar to what we talked about on the last crit, corporationg things like post cards/ interviews/ info grpahics etc)
4: Web based/ interactive design (information design)
... and many more..
I feel it is important that the anti design and qurkyness (and uglyness) of these signs gwts corporated in the final result somehoow. It should not end up beeing to slick and clean. Afterall those factors are one of the main asthetic factors that you can see all over the church signs.
Its hard. What I know is that I have come to the point where I can call myself an expert in the field of church signs and DIY signage, and that its been a very interesting and learnfull proces. How to pull it all together in one week still feels like a very tough process..
Link to my process blog:
http://church-sign.blogspot.com/
Hope to hear from you soon
Have a great weekend!
Bjørnar
This is what I got back:
Bjørnar, I am amazed!
The stuff look really promising!
With regards to your list of outcomes:
2 and 3 are crucial. Then 1 and lastly 4 ( but I, personally, am least intrigued by 4).
Keep going and pull it all together into a good format. That’s hard I agree, but that’s where you can shine as a designer. This is close to MA stuff!
Paulus
Hey Paulus,
I have gathered most of my work on my blog, from beginning to end and including basic information about my analysing prosess.
As you can see I still dont know exactly how my end result will be, and there is still A LOT of work to do.
I will present the photos as a collection as one piece (similar to what I showed you), but the designed piece is still not resolved
I have diferent thoughts about what I wish to do. I still feel there are so many difernt ways to go with it, and its hard to find one to go for
among my thoughts are these:
1: Develop my text/ content hierachies work into posters or book- using a system similar to what I have done where I can show my research about design, technical and linguistic charcteristic though graphi bades colour coding and shapes.
2: Make book focusing on the text that are based on religious quotes and information ( not name of the church and opening times etc), maby make new posters using diferent versions of typefaces used in the signs
3: Make a process book about my journey with the project (similar to what we talked about on the last crit, corporationg things like post cards/ interviews/ info grpahics etc)
4: Web based/ interactive design (information design)
... and many more..
I feel it is important that the anti design and qurkyness (and uglyness) of these signs gwts corporated in the final result somehoow. It should not end up beeing to slick and clean. Afterall those factors are one of the main asthetic factors that you can see all over the church signs.
Its hard. What I know is that I have come to the point where I can call myself an expert in the field of church signs and DIY signage, and that its been a very interesting and learnfull proces. How to pull it all together in one week still feels like a very tough process..
Link to my process blog:
http://church-sign.blogspot.com/
Hope to hear from you soon
Have a great weekend!
Bjørnar
This is what I got back:
Bjørnar, I am amazed!
The stuff look really promising!
With regards to your list of outcomes:
2 and 3 are crucial. Then 1 and lastly 4 ( but I, personally, am least intrigued by 4).
Keep going and pull it all together into a good format. That’s hard I agree, but that’s where you can shine as a designer. This is close to MA stuff!
Paulus
Saturday, 15 May 2010
Collection of fonts
I wanted to look deeper into the typefaces used at the church signs, so by the help of whatthefont.com I went trhough all the signs, took screenshots of the diferent fonts beeing used on the signs, uploaded them to the webpage and found out what fonts they were.
What I understood rather early, is that many of the fonts are homemade, and handpainted, so they dont belong to ne specific typeface family. About half of the signs actually used unidentified typefaces, and atleast 90 % of the ones that used typefaces used diferent typefaces, so there is a wide range of diferent styles going on. In general it semed that the church of england were the most consistent in useage of serifs, while the other churches used both.
Serifs were also in general slightly more normal then san serifs.
All in all there were :
360 signs
330 typefaces
156 San serifs, (60 known and 96 unknown)
182 Serifs (92 known 90 unknown)
The most popular typefaces was:
SERIFS
Times: 8
Garamond: 6
Glypha: 4
Zapf: 3
Nimbus: 3
Dutch 801: 3
Coperplate Bold: 2
Caxton: 2
Caslon: 2
Legacy SERIF BOLD: 2
Bodoni 2
Aldine: 2
Palatino: 2
Rocky Bold: 2
Royal Romain: 2
Silverado: 2
SANSERFIS
Helvetica: 6
Gill Sans: 3
Arial: 2
Compacta: 2
Din: 2
Humanist: 2
This is the whole list of typefaces used:
Ad Lib ICG
AG Book Pro Med Ext
Annonce
Arial MT Extra Bold
Arial MT Medium
ATFutura Maxi-Bold
AVANT GARDE
Berthold Standard
Clan OT-Comp Black
Compacta LET
Compacta SB-Regular
Cooper Black D
Copperplate Gothic Bold
Copperplate Gothic Bold 2
DIN 1451 EF Mittel Alt
DIN-Light
Doublecross
Europa Gro Nr2 SB-XBol
Fago Co Regular-Italic
Flora Std-Bold
Folio Bold
Folio Medium
Futura Bold.
Futura No 3 Bold
Futura SB-Dem Bol Italic
Garamold-Italic
Geometric 415 Medium
Gill Sans
Gill Sans 2
Gill Sans Extra Bold Display
Glypha Bold Oblique
Gothic No.13
Helvetica
Helvetica 45 Light
Helvetica Cyrillic Bold
Helvetica Light Obl
Helvetica World Bold
Helvetica World Bold 2
Humanist 777 Bold
Humanist 970 Bold
ITC Franklin Gothic Demi Compressed
ITC Souvenir Medium Italic
ITCFranklin Gothic Std-Med
Malcom-Expert Bold
Mayberry Pro Semibold
Memorandum SG Bold
Nimbus Sans Regular
Prelo Bold
Pump Bold
RTF Credo Bold SC
Saa Series EM D
Sand
Simplus
Squire Plain
Standard CT Bold
Stone Sans Bold
Swiss 721 Black Italic
Swiss 721 Bold
Swiss 721 Bold Rounded
Triple Condensed Gothic
Zapf Calligraphic 801 Bold
WINDSOR
URW Egyptienne Extra Narrow Regular
Treglonou Bold.png
Albertus MT
Alcuin Extra Bold
Aldine 401 Bold Italic.png
Aldine 721 Bold Condensed
Americana Bold
Apple Chancery
Arta Medium.png
AT Elan Book
ATTIMES
Belen Bold.png
Berling EF Regular
Bodoni Bold Condensed.png
BODONI EXTRA BOLD
Bookman Old Style Bold.png
Calisto MT
Carisma Medium.png
Caslon Bold
Caslon SB-Bold Condensed
Caxton
Caxton Std-Bold.png
Cheltenham Bold
Cochin URW D Roman (Based on)
Copperplate Bold
Copperplate Bold2
Dragon TS-Light.png
Dutch 801
Dutch 801 Headline.png
Dutch 801 Semi-Bold
Fairplex Wide Book Italic.png
GALLIARD
GARAMOND
GARAMOND 2
GARAMOND ITC
Garamond ITC Book Italic
Garamond MT
Garamond MT 2
Gazette LH Roman.png
Glypha 55
Glypha 55 2
Glypha 55 3
Glypha Roman
Goudy Modern MT Bold.png
Hercules Text Bold
ITC American Typewriter Medium
le griffe.png
Leawood Black
LEGACY SERIF ULTRA
LGACY SERIF BOLD
Monotype Corsiva
Nimbus Rom No 9 L Cond.png
Nimbus Roman No 9 L Medium.png
Nimbus Roman No 9 SC Regular.png
NixRift.png
P22 Mai Bold.png
Palatino Bold
Palatino Italic
Pascal ND Titling.png
PELHAM DT ROMAN
Perrywood MT Bold.png
Plantin Headline MT Medium Cond.png
Poseidon Medium.png
Quint URW Medium.png
refonts.zip
Rocky Bold.png
Rocky Extra Cond Bold.png
Royal Romain.png
Royal Romain2.png
Sabon Roman
School Book Cond Bold.png
Septimus
Septimus 2
Silverado RR Bold.png
Silverado RR Light Condensed
Solaire DT Bold.png
Stellar Zeta.png
Timeless Light
Times Bold ATT.png
Times Bold.png
Times Eighteen Bold
Times New Roman Bold Condensed
Times New Roman PS
Times NR MT Bold
Times Roman
Times Small Text MT.png
TRAJAN (based on)
Transit Front Neg-Normal.png
Adobe Garamond Bold Oldstyle Figures.png
Zapf Elliptical 711 BT Bold
Zapf Humanist 601 Bold.png
What I understood rather early, is that many of the fonts are homemade, and handpainted, so they dont belong to ne specific typeface family. About half of the signs actually used unidentified typefaces, and atleast 90 % of the ones that used typefaces used diferent typefaces, so there is a wide range of diferent styles going on. In general it semed that the church of england were the most consistent in useage of serifs, while the other churches used both.
Serifs were also in general slightly more normal then san serifs.
All in all there were :
360 signs
330 typefaces
156 San serifs, (60 known and 96 unknown)
182 Serifs (92 known 90 unknown)
The most popular typefaces was:
SERIFS
Times: 8
Garamond: 6
Glypha: 4
Zapf: 3
Nimbus: 3
Dutch 801: 3
Coperplate Bold: 2
Caxton: 2
Caslon: 2
Legacy SERIF BOLD: 2
Bodoni 2
Aldine: 2
Palatino: 2
Rocky Bold: 2
Royal Romain: 2
Silverado: 2
SANSERFIS
Helvetica: 6
Gill Sans: 3
Arial: 2
Compacta: 2
Din: 2
Humanist: 2
This is the whole list of typefaces used:
Ad Lib ICG
AG Book Pro Med Ext
Annonce
Arial MT Extra Bold
Arial MT Medium
ATFutura Maxi-Bold
AVANT GARDE
Berthold Standard
Clan OT-Comp Black
Compacta LET
Compacta SB-Regular
Cooper Black D
Copperplate Gothic Bold
Copperplate Gothic Bold 2
DIN 1451 EF Mittel Alt
DIN-Light
Doublecross
Europa Gro Nr2 SB-XBol
Fago Co Regular-Italic
Flora Std-Bold
Folio Bold
Folio Medium
Futura Bold.
Futura No 3 Bold
Futura SB-Dem Bol Italic
Garamold-Italic
Geometric 415 Medium
Gill Sans
Gill Sans 2
Gill Sans Extra Bold Display
Glypha Bold Oblique
Gothic No.13
Helvetica
Helvetica 45 Light
Helvetica Cyrillic Bold
Helvetica Light Obl
Helvetica World Bold
Helvetica World Bold 2
Humanist 777 Bold
Humanist 970 Bold
ITC Franklin Gothic Demi Compressed
ITC Souvenir Medium Italic
ITCFranklin Gothic Std-Med
Malcom-Expert Bold
Mayberry Pro Semibold
Memorandum SG Bold
Nimbus Sans Regular
Prelo Bold
Pump Bold
RTF Credo Bold SC
Saa Series EM D
Sand
Simplus
Squire Plain
Standard CT Bold
Stone Sans Bold
Swiss 721 Black Italic
Swiss 721 Bold
Swiss 721 Bold Rounded
Triple Condensed Gothic
Zapf Calligraphic 801 Bold
WINDSOR
URW Egyptienne Extra Narrow Regular
Treglonou Bold.png
Albertus MT
Alcuin Extra Bold
Aldine 401 Bold Italic.png
Aldine 721 Bold Condensed
Americana Bold
Apple Chancery
Arta Medium.png
AT Elan Book
ATTIMES
Belen Bold.png
Berling EF Regular
Bodoni Bold Condensed.png
BODONI EXTRA BOLD
Bookman Old Style Bold.png
Calisto MT
Carisma Medium.png
Caslon Bold
Caslon SB-Bold Condensed
Caxton
Caxton Std-Bold.png
Cheltenham Bold
Cochin URW D Roman (Based on)
Copperplate Bold
Copperplate Bold2
Dragon TS-Light.png
Dutch 801
Dutch 801 Headline.png
Dutch 801 Semi-Bold
Fairplex Wide Book Italic.png
GALLIARD
GARAMOND
GARAMOND 2
GARAMOND ITC
Garamond ITC Book Italic
Garamond MT
Garamond MT 2
Gazette LH Roman.png
Glypha 55
Glypha 55 2
Glypha 55 3
Glypha Roman
Goudy Modern MT Bold.png
Hercules Text Bold
ITC American Typewriter Medium
le griffe.png
Leawood Black
LEGACY SERIF ULTRA
LGACY SERIF BOLD
Monotype Corsiva
Nimbus Rom No 9 L Cond.png
Nimbus Roman No 9 L Medium.png
Nimbus Roman No 9 SC Regular.png
NixRift.png
P22 Mai Bold.png
Palatino Bold
Palatino Italic
Pascal ND Titling.png
PELHAM DT ROMAN
Perrywood MT Bold.png
Plantin Headline MT Medium Cond.png
Poseidon Medium.png
Quint URW Medium.png
refonts.zip
Rocky Bold.png
Rocky Extra Cond Bold.png
Royal Romain.png
Royal Romain2.png
Sabon Roman
School Book Cond Bold.png
Septimus
Septimus 2
Silverado RR Bold.png
Silverado RR Light Condensed
Solaire DT Bold.png
Stellar Zeta.png
Timeless Light
Times Bold ATT.png
Times Bold.png
Times Eighteen Bold
Times New Roman Bold Condensed
Times New Roman PS
Times NR MT Bold
Times Roman
Times Small Text MT.png
TRAJAN (based on)
Transit Front Neg-Normal.png
Adobe Garamond Bold Oldstyle Figures.png
Zapf Elliptical 711 BT Bold
Zapf Humanist 601 Bold.png
FONTS
184: Serif
151: SanS serif
53: Mix of sans serif and serif
4: Handmade
4: Latin alphabet and Chinese alphabet
2: serif and hand writhing
151: SanS serif
53: Mix of sans serif and serif
4: Handmade
4: Latin alphabet and Chinese alphabet
2: serif and hand writhing
Friday, 14 May 2010
PLAN
Ive got about9 days until hand in (7 days for print deadline), and this is my weekplan
Saturday:
Finish of ananlyzing by looking at typefaces (and if time make a list of logos)
Start working out a layout for process book
Gather Last interviiews (hopefully)
Come up with atleast 4 consepts for final design piece (not the masterpiece)
Email Paulus
Email teacher about final tutorial
Sunday:
Develop two main ideas
Finalise book consept idea and make a plan
Monday:
Talk with design teachers
Talk with photo teachers about way to present the 6 A1 photo sheets for masterpiece
keep working (35 % finished)
Tuesday:
(45 % finished)
Wednesday:
(75 % finished)
Thursay:
(100% finished)
Friday:
Print and start putting together unit 14 box
Saturday:
Finish of unit 14 box
Sunday:
Print and final fixing
Monday:
HAND IN!!
Saturday:
Finish of ananlyzing by looking at typefaces (and if time make a list of logos)
Start working out a layout for process book
Gather Last interviiews (hopefully)
Come up with atleast 4 consepts for final design piece (not the masterpiece)
Email Paulus
Email teacher about final tutorial
Sunday:
Develop two main ideas
Finalise book consept idea and make a plan
Monday:
Talk with design teachers
Talk with photo teachers about way to present the 6 A1 photo sheets for masterpiece
keep working (35 % finished)
Tuesday:
(45 % finished)
Wednesday:
(75 % finished)
Thursay:
(100% finished)
Friday:
Print and start putting together unit 14 box
Saturday:
Finish of unit 14 box
Sunday:
Print and final fixing
Monday:
HAND IN!!
inspiration
Today my friend Peter tiped me about this artist called A. J Bocchino that works with text information in a similar way that Ive done. Very inspiring, and very spot on the way I have organized my own work. This is definetly a good solution about how to think if I decide to keep working with words and hierachies withing the signs.
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